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He Forgot to Say Goodbye Kindle Edition

4.4 4.4 out of 5 stars 139 ratings

"I mean, it's not as if I want a father. I have a father. It's just that I don't know who he is or where he is. But I have one."

Ramiro Lopez and Jake Upthegrove don't appear to have much in common. Ram lives in the Mexican-American working-class barrio of El Paso called "Dizzy Land." His brother is sinking into a world of drugs, wreaking havoc in their household. Jake is a rich West Side white boy who has developed a problem managing his anger. An only child, he is a misfit in his mother's shallow and materialistic world. But Ram and Jake do have one thing in common: They are lost boys who have never met their fathers. This sad fact has left both of them undeniably scarred and obsessed with the men who abandoned them. As Jake and Ram overcome their suspicions of each other, they begin to move away from their loner existences and realize that they are capable of reaching out beyond their wounds and the neighborhoods that they grew up in. Their friendship becomes a healing in a world of hurt.

San Antonio Express-News wrote, "Benjamin Alire Sáenz exquisitely captures the mood and voice of a community, a culture, and a generation"; that is proven again in this beautifully crafted novel.
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"He Forgot to Say Goodbye is a beautiful, powerfully moving story with three absolutely unforgettable teen characters. Sáenz has done a remarkable job of creating two memorably idiosyncratic voices that just - well - detroyed me! Effen brilliant!" - Michael Cart, former president of YALSA and ALAN

"Sáenz's skill with language is such that it makes me as a reader slow down to savor the sentences...Many readers will see themselves in these two young men who manage to confront the demons in their lives and survive." - Teri Lesesne, professor, Sam Houston State University

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He Forgot to Say Goodbye is a story about what it is to become a man...I have, in fact, now spent a lot of quality time with Ramiro and Jake and can say that this one is right up there with my all-time favorite YAs." - Richie Partington, Richie's Picks

About the Author

Benjamin Alire Sáenz is an author of poetry and prose for adults and teens. He was the first Hispanic winner of the PEN/Faulkner Award and a recipient of the American Book Award for his books for adults. He is the author of Aristotle and Dante Discover the Secrets of the Universe, which was a Printz Honor Book, the Stonewall Award winner, the Pura Belpré Award winner, the Lambda Literary Award winner, and a finalist for the Amelia Elizabeth Walden Award, and its sequel, Aristotle and Dante Dive into the Waters of the World. His first novel for teens, Sammy and Juliana in Hollywood, was an ALA Top Ten Book for Young Adults and a finalist for the Los Angeles Times Book Prize. His second book for teens, He Forgot to Say Goodbye, won the Tomás Rivera Mexican American Children’s Book Award, the Southwest Book Award, and was named a New York Public Library Book for the Teen Age. He lives in El Paso, Texas.

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  • ASIN ‏ : ‎ B001B8NVSI
  • Publisher ‏ : ‎ Simon & Schuster Books for Young Readers; Reprint edition (June 17, 2008)
  • Publication date ‏ : ‎ June 17, 2008
  • Language ‏ : ‎ English
  • File size ‏ : ‎ 7222 KB
  • Text-to-Speech ‏ : ‎ Enabled
  • Screen Reader ‏ : ‎ Supported
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  • Sticky notes ‏ : ‎ On Kindle Scribe
  • Print length ‏ : ‎ 336 pages
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Benjamin Alire Sáenz was born in 1954 in his grandmother's house in Old Picacho, a small farming village in the outskirts of Las Cruces, New Mexico in 1954. He was the fourth of seven children and was raised on a small farm near Mesilla Park. Later, when the family lost the farm, his father went back to his former occupation—being a cement finisher. His mother worked as a cleaning woman and a factory worker. During his youth, he worked at various jobs—painting apartments, roofing houses, picking onions, and working for a janitorial service. He graduated from high school in 1972, and went on to college and became something of a world traveler. He studied philosophy and theology in Europe for four years and spent a summer in Tanzania. He eventually became a writer and professor and moved back to the border—the only place where he feels he truly belongs. He is an associate professor in the MFA creative writing program at the University of Texas at El Paso, the only bilingual creative writing program in the country. Ben Saenz considers himself a fronterizo, a person of the border. He is also a visual artist and has been involved as a political and cultural activist throughout his life. Benjamin Sáenz­ is a novelist, poet, essayist and writer of children's books. His young adult novel Sammy & Juliana in Hollywood was selected as one of the Top Ten Best Books for Young Adults in 2005, and his prize-winning bilingual picture books for children—A Gift from Papá Diego and Grandma Fina and Her Wonderful Umbrellas—have been best-selling titles. A Perfect Season for Dreaming is Ben's newest bilingual children's book which has received two starred reviews, one from Publishers Weekly and one from Kirkus Reviews. He has received the Wallace Stegner Fellowship, the Lannan Fellowship and an American Book Award. His first book of poems, Calendar of Dust, won an American Book Award in 1992. That same year, he published his first collection of short stories, Flowers for the Broken. In 1995, he published his first novel, Carry Me Like Water (Hyperion), and that same year, he published his second book of poems, Dark and Perfect Angels. Both books were awarded a Southwest Book Award by the Border Area Librarians Association. In 1997, HarperCollins published his second novel, The House of Forgetting. Ben is a prolific writer whose more recent titles include In Perfect Light (Rayo/Harper Collins), Names on a Map (Rayo/Harper Collins), He Forgot to Say Goodbye (Simon and Schuster), and two books of poetry Elegies in Blue (Cinco Puntos Press), and Dreaming the End of War (Copper Canyon Press).

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Reviewed in the United States on February 8, 2014
I don't like a lot of YA themed books, not being a YA myself, but this was so beautifully written and charming and painful. Following the theme of lost parents, Jake and Ram alternate between telling their stores.

But the writing is terrific - here is Jake describing his mother:
Sometimes I think my mom would be happier if she got a job. But she'll never do that. Look, she doesn't need the money. And she doesn't know how to do anything except worry about me. I'm her job. Shit. Have you ever been anyone's job? Have you? It's not a cool place for your mind to inhabit.

And here is Ram:
My name's Ramiro. They call me Ram. I'm named after my father. I hate being named for a father who disappeared one night and never came back. It's like being named after a ghost.

Well worth reading, I'm off to look for more by Saenz.
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Reviewed in the United States on November 29, 2020
This is my second book from Benjamin. The first was Aristotle… And I absolutely loved it. I listened to it on audible. Maybe had I read it, I would’ve found the same problems I found with this book. I hate to be petty, but two more proofreads would have probably done a great deal of good! There were at least 20 errors which I find egregious. Good heavens! The word Cabrón in Spanish is not Carbon. And posole comes from the Náhuatl language, NOT Spanish. It would have been interesting to have a little ACCURATE historical information. Other than struggling through a non-edited book, I liked it very much. I would have given five stars if they would have given more time to proofread! The book is only like 50,000 words. No excuse for all the errors. However, considering how many people on this planet don’t know the difference between to and too, I recommend this book. Maybe nobody else will notice?
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Reviewed in the United States on May 30, 2013
As a future High School English teacher and a life long resident of El Paso, this book tugged at my heart strings. It is a perfect read for anyone who was once a teenager and is presently a teenager. Mr. Saenz's truly captures the feelings, thoughts, and emotions every generation feels but is scared to admit. I will definitely use this book for my future students. It is a humbling yet engaging gift with a different perspective. The perspective of the city and culture I have played, laughed, cried in my whole life. Saenz's delivers his images in such a beautiful and poetic way.
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Reviewed in the United States on June 12, 2019
Lesson learned: take care of yourself...after all you have to live with yourself every day. I connected with Jake and Ram in this book. Both still angry that they have a father who checked out on them. Absent. Living in another state. Well written and painful at times to read. 4.75 for beginnings.
Reviewed in the United States on October 2, 2010
I am reading this book for a YA literature class. I was distracted by the outdated slang, and it really felt like the writer was out of touch with today's "youth." It's a great idea with great issues socially, but I found it boring and I am not a teenager anymore...which leads me to wonder what teenagers could actually read the entire 321 pages.
Reviewed in the United States on December 12, 2021
Received the book fast (and glad I did because it's a great read!). Would order from this vendor again.
Reviewed in the United States on January 23, 2024
Be ready to cry some tears, and feel some pain. You will laugh too but not so often. But more than anything you will FEEL the life of the border folk. Wayne Martin Judge
Reviewed in the United States on April 23, 2014
loved the sense of humor of Jake, and the chance see a friendship form over the span of a week or so.
Heartbreaking but thought-provoking read that brings up some key political issues. Made me think about my own life and how much I have to be grateful for.
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Ray Flores
2.0 out of 5 stars I just couldn't love it
Reviewed in Mexico on September 25, 2019
Ramiro Lopez and Jake Upthegrove have missing parents. And the way they cope up with that is not the best. On one hand we have Ramiro, a guy that was left by his dad before his little brother, Tito, was born, and ever since, he has felt a hole inside him that cannot be fill with anything. And Jake is this kid whose father just left one day, and so his mom took care of him, along with this stepdad –problem is that they provide him with all sorts of things, except what’s most important and that is to really see him and try to understand him.

Now, I must admit that this book has a lot of problems. First, it seriously needs EDITING. You effen destroy me, like, can you dig it? and all those phrases and words were at least a hundred times in the whole book. The voices of the MCs are quite annoying, even for a teenager, and I swear to god, I was tired of reading such obnoxious characters.

Now, teenagers using drugs, alcohol and cigarettes just to ignore the fact that they are hurt, I mean, what else is new? I get bored with those shallow characters real fast. It’s not that they’re not out there, in real life, is just that it is boring to read about them because they do things out of pure frustration. People like that don’t use their brains, and I know we’re all hurt in some ways that are beyond repair, but that doesn’t mean you get to hurt others just because you don’t know how to deal with it.

Unfortunately, this book is not that remarkable. I can see that Benjamin has grown into a wonderful author, but I wouldn't recommend this book because it doesn’t feel like it has a real purpose. To me is just like he wanted to talk about kids that were abandoned by their parents, and how that affects their lives, but at the end of the day, all that I remember is how annoying they were, even if they end up feeling hope for a brief moment.

I was expecting too much about this book because I’ve already read three of Benjamin Alire Sáenz books but this one was a total miss for me.

The only thing that I will remember is that parents don’t really see their kids. For example, when we’re young we ask about things and don’t accept the world as it is; instead we try to change it despite the fact that we don’t have the foundation to do it so. Truth is, some parents only see us for who they want us to be. Sometimes they just pretend everything is OK, when in fact it is not and that leads to drugs, alcohol abuse and other problems that are so common among young adults.

This is only a reminder that not everybody should be a parent just because they know how to have sex (and sometimes, not even that).

I wouldn’t recommend this book in case you want to get into Benjamin Alire Sáenz writing.
There are far more better books like Aristotle and Dante discover the Secrets of the Universe, The Inexplicable Logic of my Life and Last Night I Sang to the Monster.
Colin Hutchinson
5.0 out of 5 stars Profound Read
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on May 16, 2018
Really enjoyed this book once I got into it but I found the distance between characters too close initially. The plot was realistic but complex as the seperstion between characters was difficult to keep pace with. The book worked well a good read.
Francesca
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Reviewed in Italy on February 22, 2018
"God, I was beginning to hate this hope inside me.
Sometimes, hope kept you from seeing the truth.
Sometimes hope made you keep holding on to something
that you should let go of."

He forgot to say goodbye è l'ultimo libro che ho letto di Benjamin Alire Sáenz.
Non so perché questo autore non è molto pubblicato in Italia (da quel che so in italiano è disponibile solo Aristotle and Dante discover the secrets of the universe). Io personalmente amo i suoi libri, e non vedo l'ora di leggere quelli che ancora mi mancano!

Questo libro in particolare è interessante perché mette a confronto ragazzi molto diversi tra loro che però riescono a creare un rapporto molto particolare e superare differenze che in realtà sono molto superficiali.
Come sempre, cercare di riordinare i pensieri e scrivere una recensione per un libro di questo autore è sempre molto difficile per me.
È una storia piuttosto profonda, come in tutti i romanzi di Sáenz che ho letto fino ad ora. I tre personaggi principali, Ramiro, Alejandra e Jack, crescono e cambiano molto interiormente.
Seppur lontani anni luce per quanto riguarda lo stato sociale e la famiglia, hanno una storia molto simile e sono accumunati dalla mancanza di uno dei genitori, una figura che in tutti e tre i casi è scomparsa molto presto dalla loro vita.
C'è un tema comune nei libri di questo autore che ho letto fino ad ora, ed è quello di giovani uomini che scopropno se stessi e il mondo attorno a loro. Sempre in modo diverso, nuovo, ma anche profondo e interessante. Sáenz fa in modo che ci relazioniamo ai protagonisti e che, in un certo qual modo, diventino parte di noi.

"And then we all just started laughing. We laughed our asses
off. But I knew that really, all three of us were crying. And I
knew there would be tears inside of us all our lives. Because they
just left. We were even worth a good-bye. Yeah, there
would always be tears inside of us. Because there was an empty
space inside the three of us that would always belong to the
parent who had refused to love us."

Ramiro abita nella "Dizzy Land", la parte più povera di El Paso, Texas. È un messicano-americano e si sente fuori posto quando si deve rapportare con i ricchi ragazzi bianchi che vanno nella scuola di fronte alla sua, e che, ovviamente, appartengono ad un mondo totalmente diverso. Mi è dispiaciuto molto vedere che applicava a se stesso la mentalità "noi vs loro" a suo svantaggio, perché Ramiro è un ragazzo molto dolce e intelligente e non mi pareva giusto che si mettesse giù in quel modo...
A complicare le cose c'è anche la situazione con suo fratello Tito, il loro rapporto così complicato. Tito, che rifiuta di farsi amare e che è arrabbiato con il mondo. Tito, che un giorno prende una dosa troppo alta di droga. Un fratello minore che scompare dalla vita di Ramiro con un soffio, senza un addio. Un fratello che forse nella vita di Ramiro non aveva mai percepito il proprio posto. Pur essendo un personaggio secondario, Tito occupa un posto prevalente nella storia, e in un certo senso ottiene quel posto che crede di non avere nel mondo.
Giuro che a ogni scena tra loro, o in cui Ram pensava al fratello, mi veniva da piangere. Non una bella cosa da fare sul treno, ecco. Però Sáenz ha questo modo di scrivere che rende le scene come un pugno nello stomaco, fa entrare nel personaggio in modo davvero totalizzante.
Per quanto riguarda Jake, i suoi problemi sono molto diversi da quelli di Ramiro. E dal mio punto di vista, molto meno seri. Jake abita nella parte di ricca e bella, e frequenta la scuola per ragazzi bianchi e ricchi che sta di fronte a quella di Ramiro.
È un ragazzo a tratti un po' rompiscatole, che entra in conflitto con la madre (idiota come pochi, eh, su questo Jake ha ragione) per la loro differenza totale di opinione. Certamente in questo campo Jake è svantaggiato rispetto a Ram, che ha una madre e una zia amorevoli e vicine.
La madre di Jake è una patetica repubblicana che per certi versi fa concorrenza a Trump. Però nel corso del libro mi fa anche tanta pietà. È cieca verso ciò che non vuole vedere. Il patrigno non è meglio. Il padre di Jake chiama ogni tanto e gli manda soldi, ma non vuole rapportarsi con il figlio.
Nel corso del libro vediamo Jake evolvere, non solo perché cambia atteggiamento, ma anche perché comincia a rapportarsi con persone coi piedi per terra come Ram e Alli, e trovare il proprio posto in un mondo che non sembra fatto per nessuno dei tre. Mi piace anche il fatto che cerchi di riaggiustare il rapporto con sua madre, che alla fine può essere messo a posto con un po' di lavoro da parte di entrambi.
Alejandra è irritante. Insopportabile. Almeno, lo è all'inizio. Poi cominciamo a capire com'è davvero, e quanto anche lei abbia un vuoto dentro che è paragonabile a quello dei ragazzi. Solo che non essendo un personaggio p.o.v. e avendo una personalità molto diversa riesce a nasconderlo meglio.
A lei manca la madre, non il padre. È viziata, e lo si vede, ma mi è piaciuto il fatto che comunque fosse sempre lì quando Ram o Jake avevano bisogno. È un personaggio positivo, proprio come Eva e Lisa, la madre e la zia di Ramiro.
I personaggi nei libri di Sáenz sono sempre così particolari e a tutto tondo che è difficile non affezionarsi e amarli. Non credo di averne odiato mai nessuno, alla fine dei conti. Sono loro che guidano la storia, e che la rendono quella che è.
Come ho detto, poi, lo stile è molto personale. Scorrevole e facile da leggere, non c'è mai una parola fuori posto. Giuro che ogni singola parola è piazzata in modo da pugnalare il lettore.
Nei suoi libri la prima persona non mi da fastidio come in altri, e anzi contribuisce a creare un rapporto tra lettore e personaggio che non penso potrebbe esserci con una terza persona.
Nel complesso, come gli altri, un ottimo libro che consiglio caldamente.
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BooksDoNotSnore
4.0 out of 5 stars Recensione a cura di IG booksdonotsnore
Reviewed in Italy on September 6, 2022
Ramiro Lopez e Jake Upthegrove non hanno molto in comune.
Ramiro è un messicano-americano che abita nella zona più povera di El Paso; abita con la madre che deve lavorare sodo per mantenere le loro vite e con un fratello minore costantemente arrabbiato con il mondo, che trova la sua via di fuga nella droga.
Jake ha una vita agiata e frequenta la scuola per ragazzi bianchi e ricchi, collocata di fronte a quella di Ramiro. È un ragazzo che a stento riesce a controllare la rabbia e spesso discute con la madre, una donna che pensa di far felice il figlio attraverso i soldi e non con l'affetto.
I due ragazzi sono agli opposti, eppure c'è qualcosa che lega le loro esistenze: entrambi hanno sofferto e soffrono la mancanza di un padre. Quando le loro strade si incroceranno, riusciranno a trovare una soluzione per risolvere i loro problemi?

All'inizio, confrontando le storie di Ramiro e Jake, mi sono parse prive di equilibrio. Mi son detta che Ramiro, con la sua povertà e un fratello dipendente dalla droga, avesse maggiori motivi per lamentarsi; ma non è così. Jake, seppur ricco, ha mancanze altrettanto gravi, perché l'amore di un figlio non si compra e il suo desiderio è solo di essere 𝐯𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐨 dalla madre.
Ognuno di noi ha dei problemi e delle mancanze che, agli occhi di chi li vive, sembrano insormontabili. Magari si tende ad ingigantire la situazione, ma questo non toglie che 𝐨𝐠𝐧𝐢 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐛𝐥𝐞𝐦𝐚 𝐞̀ 𝐢𝐦𝐩𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐞; la chiave si trova nel 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑒 affrontare gli ostacoli.
Il romanzo sottolinea l'impatto che può avere l'assenza di un padre nella vita di un ragazzo; è una storia di profonda amicizia e scoperta di sé stessi.
L'incontro tra Ramiro e Jake è fondamentale per una crescita interiore di entrambi, diventando così l'uno il sostegno dell'altro; a volte la soluzione per superare le difficoltà non è solo in noi stessi, ma si trova anche attraverso l'empatia con gli altri.
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4.0 out of 5 stars Recensione a cura di IG booksdonotsnore
Reviewed in Italy on September 6, 2022
Ramiro Lopez e Jake Upthegrove non hanno molto in comune.
Ramiro è un messicano-americano che abita nella zona più povera di El Paso; abita con la madre che deve lavorare sodo per mantenere le loro vite e con un fratello minore costantemente arrabbiato con il mondo, che trova la sua via di fuga nella droga.
Jake ha una vita agiata e frequenta la scuola per ragazzi bianchi e ricchi, collocata di fronte a quella di Ramiro. È un ragazzo che a stento riesce a controllare la rabbia e spesso discute con la madre, una donna che pensa di far felice il figlio attraverso i soldi e non con l'affetto.
I due ragazzi sono agli opposti, eppure c'è qualcosa che lega le loro esistenze: entrambi hanno sofferto e soffrono la mancanza di un padre. Quando le loro strade si incroceranno, riusciranno a trovare una soluzione per risolvere i loro problemi?

All'inizio, confrontando le storie di Ramiro e Jake, mi sono parse prive di equilibrio. Mi son detta che Ramiro, con la sua povertà e un fratello dipendente dalla droga, avesse maggiori motivi per lamentarsi; ma non è così. Jake, seppur ricco, ha mancanze altrettanto gravi, perché l'amore di un figlio non si compra e il suo desiderio è solo di essere 𝐯𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐨 dalla madre.
Ognuno di noi ha dei problemi e delle mancanze che, agli occhi di chi li vive, sembrano insormontabili. Magari si tende ad ingigantire la situazione, ma questo non toglie che 𝐨𝐠𝐧𝐢 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐛𝐥𝐞𝐦𝐚 𝐞̀ 𝐢𝐦𝐩𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐞; la chiave si trova nel 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑒 affrontare gli ostacoli.
Il romanzo sottolinea l'impatto che può avere l'assenza di un padre nella vita di un ragazzo; è una storia di profonda amicizia e scoperta di sé stessi.
L'incontro tra Ramiro e Jake è fondamentale per una crescita interiore di entrambi, diventando così l'uno il sostegno dell'altro; a volte la soluzione per superare le difficoltà non è solo in noi stessi, ma si trova anche attraverso l'empatia con gli altri.
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2.0 out of 5 stars Hard work to read and didn't really keep me interested
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on April 13, 2017
Hard to read. Flipping from person to person. Story just seemed to take so long to get under way. Just wanted to get towards the inevitable end so ending up skim reading the last few chapters. Would I read it again? no.
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